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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:22 pm 
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I would like to consider using bromate free flour; however, the supplier I am using to develop my recipes doesn't carry one, but I would like to be able to get one. Any one out there?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:58 pm 
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I was just going to post "How many people use bleached/bromated flour" and wonder if the answer is 100% since nobody answered this question. So does everyone use bromated flour???


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:47 am 
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So does everyone use bleached and bromated flour????


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:09 am 
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we use bleached, NOT bromated flour.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:22 am 
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While most of the high protein flour still sold as bag flour, in the U.S. is bleached and bromated, is is getting easier to find unbleached flour. As for the bromate, all of the operators in California, and Canada are probably using an un-bromated flour. Bromate is illegal to use in Canada, and highly discouraged in California. Are bleaching and bromating of flour really needed by the pizza industry? No. Bleaching only removes the beta carotinoid pigments (yellow color) frol the flour, so without the bleaching, the flour has a slightly yellow, or actually, creamy color to it rather than a bright white color. Much of the flour used by the baking industry today is un-bleached. The bromate is a strengthener that has little application for most of us. It may improve the overall performance of frozen dough to some extent that is true, but how many of us make or use frozen dough? It can also improve the dough performance when we insist upon holding our dough in the cooler for more than three days. Learn to live with a three day inventory of dough in the cooler (actually, that is pretty easy to do, and it is what most of us are already doing) and you don't need the bromate at all. Besides, if you happen to be one of those who really need the bromate, for whatever reason, you can buy additive dough strengtheners that are added to the dough and function in a similar manner. Point is, we really don't need bleached flour, and we really don't need bromate in our flour either, at least not in retail (pizzeria) pizza production. As for making dough with an unbleached, unbromated flour, not a problem, you shouldn't see any difference at all if you just keep your refrigerated storage time to not more than three days.
Tom Lehmann/The Dough Doctor


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:38 am 
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Tom Lehmann wrote:
While most of the high protein flour still sold as bag flour, in the U.S. is bleached and bromated, is is getting easier to find unbleached flour. As for the bromate, all of the operators in California, and Canada are probably using an un-bromated flour. Bromate is illegal to use in Canada, and highly discouraged in California. Are bleaching and bromating of flour really needed by the pizza industry? No. Bleaching only removes the beta carotinoid pigments (yellow color) frol the flour, so without the bleaching, the flour has a slightly yellow, or actually, creamy color to it rather than a bright white color. Much of the flour used by the baking industry today is un-bleached. The bromate is a strengthener that has little application for most of us. It may improve the overall performance of frozen dough to some extent that is true, but how many of us make or use frozen dough? It can also improve the dough performance when we insist upon holding our dough in the cooler for more than three days. Learn to live with a three day inventory of dough in the cooler (actually, that is pretty easy to do, and it is what most of us are already doing) and you don't need the bromate at all. Besides, if you happen to be one of those who really need the bromate, for whatever reason, you can buy additive dough strengtheners that are added to the dough and function in a similar manner. Point is, we really don't need bleached flour, and we really don't need bromate in our flour either, at least not in retail (pizzeria) pizza production. As for making dough with an unbleached, unbromated flour, not a problem, you shouldn't see any difference at all if you just keep your refrigerated storage time to not more than three days.
Tom Lehmann/The Dough Doctor


Now, if I could only find a source for unbleached, non-bromated flour this would be a great marketing angle... you basically wrote the 'script' right there. :D

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:05 am 
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You might check out General Mills Rex Royal. This is an unbleached, unbromated spring wheat flour that should work well for most pizza dough applications.
Tom Lehmann/The Dough Doctor


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[quote="brad randall"][quote="Tom Lehmann"]While most of the high protein flour still sold as bag flour, in the U.S. is bleached and bromated, is is getting easier to find unbleached flour. As for the bromate, all of the operators in California, and Canada are probably using an un-bromated flour. Bromate is illegal to use in Canada, and highly discouraged in California. Are bleaching and bromating of flour really needed by the pizza industry? No. Bleaching only removes the beta carotinoid pigments (yellow color) frol the flour, so without the bleaching, the flour has a slightly yellow, or actually, creamy color to it rather than a bright white color. Much of the flour used by the baking industry today is un-bleached. The bromate is a strengthener that has little application for most of us. It may improve the overall performance of frozen dough to some extent that is true, but how many of us make or use frozen dough? It can also improve the dough performance when we insist upon holding our dough in the cooler for more than three days. Learn to live with a three day inventory of dough in the cooler (actually, that is pretty easy to do, and it is what most of us are already doing) and you don't need the bromate at all. Besides, if you happen to be one of those who really need the bromate, for whatever reason, you can buy additive dough strengtheners that are added to the dough and function in a similar manner. Point is, we really don't need bleached flour, and we really don't need bromate in our flour either, at least not in retail (pizzeria) pizza production. As for making dough with an unbleached, unbromated flour, not a problem, you shouldn't see any difference at all if you just keep your refrigerated storage time to not more than three days.
Tom Lehmann/The Dough Doctor[/quote]

Now, if I could only find a source for unbleached, non-bromated flour this would be a great marketing angle... you basically wrote the 'script' right there. :D[/quote]
Roma has it
general mills has it


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:08 am 
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You might do some research on smaller mills in your region. You can buy a pallet of flour and have it delivered freight. I am a bread baker and use organic flour which is unbleached, unbromated, but the cost is certainly higher.


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