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A guy has to do what a guy has to do to get by…
A guy has to do what a guy has to do to get by…
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I can understand that.He spent nearly five months delivering pizzas at Domino’s. He admits he fell into depression during that time.
This article must be made up as it say ‘She watched her husband, Rob LeBlanc, 35, load Domino’s pizza boxes into their family car and deliver orders until near dawn for $10 an hour.’Thanks for sharing that story! I hadn’t seen it.
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I can understand that.He spent nearly five months delivering pizzas at Domino’s. He admits he fell into depression during that time.
That’s what I am doing. This store is not opening anytime soon the way things are going and I need something to do… not to mention make a little money. I do not want to take on the obligation of a career position. It is loads of fun most nights. I closed for a guy the other night and will not do that again. Not worth it at $5.85 an hour.Deliver pizzas, wife tells laid-off hubby - CNN.com
A guy has to do what a guy has to do to get by…
Not enough info to make a judgment. Heck, the guy could have been working for one of the rare Big 3 shops that pays fairly, they do exist. However, it’s far more likely that he simply never really did the math on what he was taking home versus his expense in working there. He may be taking home $10 for every hour that he works, but if you take gasoline, accelerated car maintenance and rapid depreciation from that $10, then factor in the risks inherent to the work, it might start to look a bit less attractive. Nevertheless, we don’t know, so any further discussion would just be speculation.This article must be made up as it say ‘She watched her husband, Rob LeBlanc, 35, load Domino’s pizza boxes into their family car and deliver orders until near dawn for $10 an hour.’
$10 an hour! - surely not last time I heard Domino’s was one of the Big3 and you keep telling us they all pay sub minimum wage. This guy had the perfect opportunity to raise the issue of sub minimum wage to a newspaper.
Surely you can understand that also?
god I wish someone would have told me that when Gregster posted on here first of all - I’d have just not bothered arguing with his speculation!Nevertheless, we don’t know, so any further discussion would just be speculation.
There is a big difference between Gregster’s posting of DOL literature and speculating about a news article where the relevant information is simply not present. The only “speculating” in Gregster’s posts has to do with how the law is actually enforced, since it seems to depend upon the day of the week and possibly the moon cycles as well. What so many seem to be afraid of is that someone will take a good hard look at the law one of these days and overturn years of industry practice, and possibly award damages against companies that have been violating the letter of the law. The law says what it says, there is no speculation there; the speculation is guessing when someone, either a lawyer or the DOL itself, decides to do something about it.Dox47:
god I wish someone would have told me that when Gregster posted on here first of all - I’d have just not bothered arguing with his speculation!Nevertheless, we don’t know, so any further discussion would just be speculation.
how easy is it to find uncertainty when someone shows another side to your arguement. A PIG3 store that may pay more than MW - well I never who’d have thought it!
You’ve had a fair few posts speculating so I thought it was the norm.There is a big difference between Gregster’s posting of DOL literature and speculating about a news article where the relevant information is simply not present.
I’ll call a spade a spade whether it “suits my purposes” or not, and drawing inferences out of incomplete information definitely fits the description of speculating. When I speculate, I state that up front with such prefaces as “I’m no expert”, “I may be out on a limb here”, etc, to clearly mark that I’m not sure of something. The post that I was referring to seemed more like someone trying to score “points” by drawing conclusions that just weren’t there, rather than any serious argument, hence my post.If the DOL literture is clear then I really can’t see what the issue is - as I’ve said all along if someone is paying sub MW then they should suffer the penalties. But it funny how when it doesn’t suit your purpose its ‘speculation’.
I’ll call a spade a spade whether it “suits my purposes” or not, and drawing inferences out of incomplete information definitely fits the description of speculating. When I speculate, I state that up front with such prefaces as “I’m no expert”
ummm. no you don’t.Not enough info to make a judgment. Heck, the guy could have been working for one of the rare Big 3 shops that pays fairly, they do exist. However, it’s far more likely that he simply never really did the math on what he was taking home versus his expense in working there. He may be taking home $10 for every hour that he works, but if you take gasoline, accelerated car maintenance and rapid depreciation from that $10, then factor in the risks inherent to the work, it might start to look a bit less attractive.
“far more likely”, while definitely biased in one direction, is still a qualifier. Your initial post in this thread by contrast, takes the limited information in the article takes it at face value in an attempt to discredit Gregster, just one of the many pot shots I’ve seen you take at him lately. Both of us are still waiting for someone to actually take on the laws that he’s posted, as opposed to how the laws are enforced, but I suspect that we shall remain waiting for some time.ummm. no you don’t.
Not enough info to make a judegment BUT I’m going to anyhow ‘it’s far more likely…’. Please don’t dress yourself up as something your clearly aren’t
unlike, of course, Gregsters initial post?Your initial post in this thread by contrast, takes the limited information in the article takes it at face value in an attempt to discredit Gregster, just one of the many pot shots I’ve seen you take at him lately.
Please quote where I have done so and I’ll be happy to respond.Dox47:
unlike, of course, Gregsters initial post?Your initial post in this thread by contrast, takes the limited information in the article takes it at face value in an attempt to discredit Gregster, just one of the many pot shots I’ve seen you take at him lately.
To be honest I am not trying to discredit Gregster, I’m trying to make the point that both YOU and him paint a picture which you change to suit the argument. First the mw issue was firmly at the feet of the big3, but not indies, then its indies, then when people post examples of the big 3 paying well over mw they are mistaken! which is it?
You guys have taken plenty of ‘pot shots’ at people in the last few weeks and accused a fair few people on this board of things which you even less than 'limited information’!
gregster Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: A new career as a pizza delivery driver!..
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Gregster’s initial post in this thread was decidedly tongue in cheek, he wasn’t trying to make any serious point based on incomplete information. You, on the other hand, trumpeted the woman’s claim that her husband made $10 an hour like it was unimpeachable evidence against Gregster’s accusations of wide spread industry under-paying. See the difference?unlike, of course, Gregsters initial post?
Then what is your purpose in sniping at him in completely unrelated threads such as the one about getting by in the bad economy? He hadn’t even posted there, it was a completely unprovoked attack, which has been about par for the course for Gregster here.To be honest I am not trying to discredit Gregster, I’m trying to make the point that both YOU and him paint a picture which you change to suit the argument. First the mw issue was firmly at the feet of the big3, but not indies, then its indies, then when people post examples of the big 3 paying well over mw they are mistaken! which is it?
Such as? When have I ever taken an out of the blue potshot at a member of this board, with or without supporting information? Sweeping accusations about the industry? Guilty. But potshots at an individual? I only got about 40-some posts here, if they where there they wouldn’t be hard to find.You guys have taken plenty of ‘pot shots’ at people in the last few weeks and accused a fair few people on this board of things which you even less than ‘limited information’!
^^^ that’s a messy quote Paul, but I wont cry that it’s ‘out of context’ or incomplete, or whatever. I think I understand what you are trying to say.gregster Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: A new career as a pizza delivery driver!..
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Dox47 wrote:
Your initial post in this thread by contrast, takes the limited information in the article takes it at face value in an attempt to discredit Gregster, just one of the many pot shots I’ve seen you take at him lately.
unlike, of course, Gregsters initial post?
To be honest I am not trying to discredit Gregster, I’m trying to make the point that both YOU and him paint a picture which you change to suit the argument. First the mw issue was firmly at the feet of the big3, but not indies, then its indies, then when people post examples of the big 3 paying well over mw they are mistaken! which is it?
You guys have taken plenty of ‘pot shots’ at people in the last few weeks and accused a fair few people on this board of things which you even less than ‘limited information’!
Please quote where I have done so and I’ll be happy to respond.
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Thanks Tim. I sure that you know that we don’t include yourself and GiGi’s in the ‘evil owner’ empire. From what I read over at PMQ, there are a few honest hardworking and fairly compensating employers over there too.
I take issue with the thieving basturds who cry ‘poverty’ at the same time they deny the law on one hand while reaching in our pockets with the other, and all the while muttering behind our backs that we are not grateful for the opportunity to ‘serve’ them while they screw us.
If everyone over at The PMQ ThinkTank were such law abiding owners, the topics I started would have been DOA (Dead on Arrival) The only reason they felt I was so accusatory was because the laws I pointed out exposed what they want no one to know, especially their employees. It is a painful reminder that their activities have been noticed and exposed and their days of exploitation are numbered.
Thank you everyone here for your support.
Our day will come.
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