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Cartop Sign Cords... do your drivers Buy them?
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Gregster, thank you very much for proving my point exactly. You’re here for one reason as I already stated.
gregster:
And for the record… In Illinois, and since you’re the LAW king, I’m sure you’re aware that business owners and managers can fire whoever they please, whenever they please, and for whatever reason they please. So before you come in here and think you can just go ahead and sue me, think again. You wouldn’t be able to prove I broke any wage violation laws.
See, you really know how to get under peoples skin… I am not that kind of person, I’m not fire-happy. I don’t even have any drivers, nor do I use car toppers, NOR DO I PAY MINIMUM WAGE OR BELOW… Seriously, you have way too much time on your hands.
gregster:
Thank you for manipulating my words again. Where did I say that minimum wage laws are crap or stupid? You’re changing my words around, putting words in my mouth. Not once did I say “minimum wage laws are crap”, or “minimum wage laws are stupid”.
And for the record… In Illinois, and since you’re the LAW king, I’m sure you’re aware that business owners and managers can fire whoever they please, whenever they please, and for whatever reason they please. So before you come in here and think you can just go ahead and sue me, think again. You wouldn’t be able to prove I broke any wage violation laws.
See, you really know how to get under peoples skin… I am not that kind of person, I’m not fire-happy. I don’t even have any drivers, nor do I use car toppers, NOR DO I PAY MINIMUM WAGE OR BELOW… Seriously, you have way too much time on your hands.
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Office space, when he starts punching the printer.
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Registered Guest:
If it is a requirement for the business, no matter how the item is paid for, if the employee is forced to bear the cost, the net wage must not fall below minimum wage. It’s as simple as that.
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Thanks for pointing that out Roger. I too would like to think that compliance with and understanding of minimum wage laws should be such a non-issue that it barely evokes more than a yawn out of business owners. Trouble is (as I see it) that even reminding folks to be careful about minimum wage compliance evokes what I see as hostility.
That someone even has to ask “What about tips?” means that there are still some that do not completely understand the laws and how they apply in the pizza delivery business. In other words, the horse is not dead.
So again… without the law, its morally ok to break your employers stuff and not be held responsible for it?
Man, the drivers really do have the best jobs in the world. I’m gonna go find a part time delivery job, break all their stuff and when they ask me to pay for it, I’ll just sue them.
Btw, while we’re on the subject of breaking laws… Do you know what this is?
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv338/PizzaGuy_22/sign.jpg
Thats a speed limit sign, and did you know that its ILLEGAL to go 1 mph over? Have you ever gone 1 mph over the posted speed limit?
Man, the drivers really do have the best jobs in the world. I’m gonna go find a part time delivery job, break all their stuff and when they ask me to pay for it, I’ll just sue them.
Btw, while we’re on the subject of breaking laws… Do you know what this is?
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv338/PizzaGuy_22/sign.jpg
Thats a speed limit sign, and did you know that its ILLEGAL to go 1 mph over? Have you ever gone 1 mph over the posted speed limit?
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My last post was a little off topic, so on topic…
I don’t make them buy them. I supply them, they use them.
There’s no reason to make them pay for them or have any minimum wage discussions about the topic. It’s really simple: If an employee breaks or loses my stuff, I cut them their final paycheck and go grab the 2 inch stack of applications on my desk. Why would you put up with someone that continually loses or breaks your property?
How long would the employee stick around if you kept losing their paycheck?
I don’t make them buy them. I supply them, they use them.
There’s no reason to make them pay for them or have any minimum wage discussions about the topic. It’s really simple: If an employee breaks or loses my stuff, I cut them their final paycheck and go grab the 2 inch stack of applications on my desk. Why would you put up with someone that continually loses or breaks your property?
How long would the employee stick around if you kept losing their paycheck?
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gregster:
Either way it doesn’t really matter. Like was stated above, the bottom line can legally be if you lose this cord you lose your job. It’s as simple as that, no?
Really? What about the car, your shoes, you pants, you underwear. Your glasses so you can see. Your haircuts. The hot water you use because I require you to be clean. What about all of that?
Either way it doesn’t really matter. Like was stated above, the bottom line can legally be if you lose this cord you lose your job. It’s as simple as that, no?
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Wizzle_Wassell
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I believe in the eyes of the law ANY deduction FROM wages which takes an employee BELOW MW is exactly the same as paying sub minimum wage. I believe there are some exceptions for housing, loans advances etc. In addition if you do not have explicit wording in your contracts/employee handbooks then if you make a deduction it would be treated as an ‘illegal deduction’.
Whilst I believe this is a ridiculous law in many ways as it means effectively staff can lose/damage equipment and you can’t legally deduct, it is the law and many big company’s have had bad publicity over this. If someone maliciously damages equipment you have choices (dependant on the severity):
a) you can enter into a voluntary arrangement with the employee - just document it and don’t take it from payroll so that it doesn’t give anyone the false pretense of being a deduction from MW.
b) you can of course discipline (including termination) and
c) of course report them for criminal damage and take legal action to recover the costs. Faced with the latter most people I would assume would enter into a voluntary arrangement
With regards to Gregsters comments:
I make a number of charges with the full backing for my HR insurance indemnity provider for things such as lost/damaged uniform. I no longer issue ‘floats’ to my driving staff as one came in very short one night and I was told that deducting a cash short over and above his mileage was a MW violation. Therefore, I now issue my driving staff with an advance each shift - so I am now covered to the full extent of the mileage owed and the ‘advance’ which has provided sufficient cover. Where a driver goes over this amount as they had to purchase fuel etc they sign to this extent as an advance.
Legally you can’t just dip into someones pay to recover costs for, in this case car topper leads. but I would of course suggest that you seek the advice of a specialist in this area as there are ways to protect yourself and get to the same end result. Of course there is nothing to stop you asking for the money from the individual to repair the damage and if they choose to pay you then that is their choice.
Whilst I believe this is a ridiculous law in many ways as it means effectively staff can lose/damage equipment and you can’t legally deduct, it is the law and many big company’s have had bad publicity over this. If someone maliciously damages equipment you have choices (dependant on the severity):
a) you can enter into a voluntary arrangement with the employee - just document it and don’t take it from payroll so that it doesn’t give anyone the false pretense of being a deduction from MW.
b) you can of course discipline (including termination) and
c) of course report them for criminal damage and take legal action to recover the costs. Faced with the latter most people I would assume would enter into a voluntary arrangement
With regards to Gregsters comments:
no Gregster, that is NOT true and its NOT as simple as that. There are plenty of items that the business require (as stated by Registered Guest) that individual pay for which clearly do not impact on this. I believe it is only true it the item is for EXCLUSIVE use by the business. Another key word is ‘forced’. That’s why in my case I give them a choice.
I make a number of charges with the full backing for my HR insurance indemnity provider for things such as lost/damaged uniform. I no longer issue ‘floats’ to my driving staff as one came in very short one night and I was told that deducting a cash short over and above his mileage was a MW violation. Therefore, I now issue my driving staff with an advance each shift - so I am now covered to the full extent of the mileage owed and the ‘advance’ which has provided sufficient cover. Where a driver goes over this amount as they had to purchase fuel etc they sign to this extent as an advance.
Legally you can’t just dip into someones pay to recover costs for, in this case car topper leads. but I would of course suggest that you seek the advice of a specialist in this area as there are ways to protect yourself and get to the same end result. Of course there is nothing to stop you asking for the money from the individual to repair the damage and if they choose to pay you then that is their choice.
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Post subject: Re: Cartop Sign Cords… do your drivers Buy them? Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:56 pm
paul7979 wrote:
Actually Steve breaking your employers stuff is specifically encouraged over at TTPG.
He ain’t lyin.
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1/20/09 10:08:47 PM
I had a topper stolen by frat boys once, and it also happened to one of my coworkers, but that one turned up in a dumpster a few days later. I suppose that if you really wanted to get rid of your sign, and make a buck in the process, you could arrange for one to be “stolen”, then scrub off the logos and sell it on Ebay. I know it’s not that hard to put a new wrap on those things, and they go for $100+ new, so why throw money away?So now my question is can I count the money they sell the stolen sign for as compensation against the minimum wage pay? :lol:
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Wizzle_Wassell
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isn’t it funny how quiet it goes around here every now and then??
Should I fetch the tumble weed out again?
Should I fetch the tumble weed out again?
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Wizzle_Wassell
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he’s been very active on TTPG.
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Its amazing how simple questions always turn into MW debates. Some people on this forum need to have a special area in the TT, so they can preach to their own choir. We’re tired of listening. Yawn…